quote:
Originally posted by leahyrlw:
That helps. And to have 2 days to do it. Neat.
Later
Rosemary

Thanks Maggie!


Ooops, I didn't see your post, until after I posted. Hey, .20 is pretty darn good. I'll take it. Yea!
I really feel ike "why bohter" my listings get lost in the millions of others who scramble to get stuff listed and I'm really trying to focus my attention to moving away from ebay. I think I need to be strong and let this one slip by Confused
Yeah, I'm with wahm. With so many auctions ending so fast, it's like trying to scan a page that's on fast forward. By the time you get around to bidding on something, it's closed...think I'll just try to stick with schedule....Might put in some 10 day auctions though and see how they work out. Not too many run that length from what I see.
You know, now that I've slept and the more I think about it, auctions aren't even selling during the July "Dead Pool". I'll put a few out, but really, if it didn't sell when I was paying regular fee, what make me think it's going to sell because the fees are lower??
Good luck to all,
Rosemary
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Originally posted by wahm922:
I really feel like "why bother"

I'm with you. Why bother? This is the latest "bone" to be thrown by eBay. You know, it used to be FREE listing days. Then, they got greedy, and it became 10 cent listing days. Now it's 20 cent days.

Also, don't forget, eBay just posted record earnings, and in the face of that raised store fees.

It's amazing how greedy they are...

I find myself obliged to post this TAGnotes email I recieved. Sorry for the length, but it's of interest to all sellers:
quote:
TAG predicted that ebaY would announce an increase US store fees in July, well, our
prediction was a month too early. Effective 22 Aug, ebaY is increasing store listings
insertion fees drastically, and jumping final value fees. In light of the increase in
ebaY store fees in Australia, including doubling the final value fee, adding a fee
schedule more like the auction insertion schedule (10 to 50 cents) and adding other
fees, sellers should note that ebaY frequently uses the AU and other non US sites as
a testing ground for what ebaY is planning to next implement in the US, so this US
fee increase might just be the first taste.

ebaY stock has taken a heavy hit since their last stock split. An undiluted (taking
out all the splits) share of ebaY stock (if you bought one share at IPO or before the
first split, you would now have 24 shares of ebaY stock) is worth $622.32, heading
back down to where it was in 2003. Needless to say, ebaY needs to do something
to convince potential stock buyers that their stock still has the potential to increase
in price (ebaY has never paid a dividend, so buying low and selling high is the only
way stockholders can make money on their stock) . They also need to keep
institutional sellers from dumping their stock, which could send ebaY's stock into a
tailspin. Other than selling stock, ebaY only has one way to generate revenue, and
that is out of the seller's pockets, particularly in the US and Germany. ebaY's
listings have been flat for several years, so raising prices on auction and fixed price
listings would probably be self defeating. Stores fee increases are the only option at
this time.

It appears that ebaY's attempts in Asia have been a failure. Yahoo defeated ebaY in
Japan, and Alibaba's Taobao auction site (partnered with Yahoo), has the edge in
China, and between them they have probably put the final nail in ebaY's very
expensive Asian expansion moves. Things must not be going well in ebaY UK,
evidenced by the almost constant promotions to attract listings, with ebaY Canada
showing a similar pattern. ebaY India appears to be the biggest online auction site
in India, but it is still a small site, with about 2% of the listings as compared to the
US. Add an overpriced purchase of Skype, ebaY's near perfect record of losing all
the value out of almost every company they have purchased or partnered with, and
where ebaY is heading, becomes very questionable.

Fraud remains a big issue, real or perceived, limiting the numbers of buyers ebaY
can attract. Buyers receive second chance offers on items for which they did not
have the winning bid, that turn out to be scams, with ebaY's non existent security
allowing the scammers access to bidders email addresses. ebaY and PayPal's so
called insurance programs take forever to provide restitution to buyers, when the
fine print does not catch the buyer, preventing them from receiving anything. The
information on the site that would help users to avoid fraud remains so well hidden,
only a pro can find it.

Sellers are endlessly disillusioned by ebaY's lack of customer support, unfair unjust
and unequal policies regarding policing their site for ebaY illegal items, and ebaY's
failure to remove scam listings. After all these years, ebaY still has no procedure
for dealing with suspended sellers, just slams the door in the seller's face, informs
all the seller's buyers and bidders that deals should not be completed, and makes
the seller look like a scammer. In cases where ebaY has made a mistake, and
restores the seller, nothing is done as restitution to the seller, nor to restore their
listings or inform their bidders that ebaY had made a mistake. Now ebaY wants
sellers to provide phone contact support through Skype, to potential buyers, but
ebaY wont do the same for their customers, the seller.

Rumors of ebaY looking for a buyer are appearing more frequently, and Meg
Whitman has stated that she feels she has fulfilled all her commitments to ebaY, so
we will soon hear of her moving on. Some of the rats have already abandoned the
ship, Jeff Jordan comes to mind, and Rajiv Dutta (remember Rajiv? He is the one
who thinks sellers are trash who "clutter up" the site) has been assigned to replace
him. None of this adds up to anything good.

So what should sellers do? What we have been suggesting they do for years.
Develop your own website. Use that website as the hub for all your online selling.
Remember that search engines are the name of the game, and if you just think of
ebaY as another search engine, another way of advertising your site, you can use it
to expand your customer base. You have to remain within the lines of ebaY's
written and unwritten rules, but a smart seller can do that and still use ebaY to grow
their own site. List on other sites. Most are free or only charge a final value fee
when something sells. Get indexed on Froogle. The more you appear on the net,
the more frequently you will turn up in search engines. Do not use ebaY as your
primary method of selling. They are an unreliable and capricious partner, who does
not care if someone sells on their site or not, and if they destroy a seller's business,
care even less.
quote:
Originally posted by JeffS:
The more you appear on the net,
the more frequently you will turn up in search engines. Do not use ebaY as your primary method of selling.

This is what I've been placing on these boards for quite some time.

Glad to see you back up my views.

Get outside of eBay and get links out there in as many places as possible so you come up in searches and Froogle.

My Best,
Donna
Said entirely the same thing in another post including the rats jumping ship.

I saw this coming 4 years ago when the ebay costs were going up and sales going down and decided to build my website bonsai-mart.com and then in another year or so started bonsai-wholesale.com. I also own the name wholesale-bonsai.com. I can sell this one day for big bucks. I now am developing Bonsai-Mall.com with higher than the norm expensive items and also own two masked, pointing domains bonsai-nursery.com and bonsai-studio.com.

I am going to buy up about 5 more primary key word domain names I have on a list and sit on them. Primary key word domain names are going to get scarce in the next year or so as many are figuring this out and owning them is cheap. The .com is the number one commerce name to own. I would suggest to all, get savvy on primary key words and at least buy up a couple domain names and at least sit on them at 8.95 or less each a year.

A web page of any kind built by your hands on your computer and picked up by any search engine or index is like driving down the highway and looking at a billboard. So what you have in essence is little billboards all over the worldwide web. Eventually someone is going to see it and decide they want what you are selling out of convenience. People are generally lazy. If the price is about right, they will buy it because they are already there in the store. I curretly have about 400 pages on the net and make a daily living in the mail order business.

On auctions, I have one auction a night in the prime time of 7:15 west coast time, 8:15 mountain, 9:15 central and 10:15 eastern. Out of the 7 auctions a week, I sell about 1.5 average. However at the heading of every auction description I have a statement that say WOW! take a look at all the items I have in my bonsaimart ebay store. Click here to go there now! I sell over a k a month off the store. My me page has links to all my websites. Back end marketing involves using your website links in all emails to and from ebay customers. I have been farming customers to my websites for about 3 years now. You must be up on the ebay rules as to what you can do and not do though. Be carefull.

In summary, I am working on tripling my outside ebay income and forget ebay or any kind of ebay like venue entirely, since a static webpage is built once and just sits there havesting income over and over. Auctions require constant effort.
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when i was going to add an item and i looked at what ebays fees were, it wasnt the .20 that ebay is offering (when doing it through auctiva.....) am i doing sometihng wrong?? thnaks!
Hi dementeddoll, no you are ok just that sometimes the fee variation does not get through to the auctiva lister.
So if ebay say it is (x cents) then that is what it is even though auctiva shows different.
Hope that helps. Smile
I usually list about 200 to 300 items on these cheaper listing days, but this time I didn't list one extra auction of any kind. Stayed with just my one a night pointing to my ebay store. So sorry ebay, that I did not bite to give you some extra fast capital out of my pocket. Mad
quote:
Originally posted by Daddyo:
I didn't list one extra auction of any kind.

Nor from me.

Gimme something I can chew on and I'll bite..but twenty cents? <shrug> Not me.

GMTA DaddyO,
Donna
If I can list 100 listings for $20 instead of $95, I'm going to leave my emotions at the door and chew on the $20 bone. Business is business. Until someone (Google or whoever) takes on eBay, they are going to do whatever it is they want to do. If one is going to continue using eBay, then like life, they have to adapt. The store hike doesn't really affect me. Not really. I get my product for such a low cost it isn't all that big of a deal. However, the fact that eBay wants to kill off the store because sellers learned they were relisting hard to sell merchandise to death. All while costing them a small fortune doing it. When sellers began placing all of these items into their stores INSTEAD of relisting them over, and over, and over, and over, and over. eBay lost money. If you want to give eBay a kick in the pants, STOP using listing upgrades like gallery!

You do not need it on most items. Do not believe their propaganda, it isn't true. What you NEED is a keyword rich title and description. Of course, merchandise buyers want helps as well. Relisting an item to death all while using gallery and other useless listing upgrades is eBay's bread and butter.

eBay grows on the failure of listings w/upgrades. This is the bitter truth.

I started listing my so so merchandise for $9.99 without gallery. After all is said and done, paying all fees and produact cost, I will make a flat $10.05 on these items. Not even a 10th of what I paid. So, a good deal.

On my higher priced merchandise, I use gallery.

No gallery sales are alive and well.

Try it!
quote:
Originally posted by Magie Noire:
If I can list 100 listings for $20 instead of $95, I'm going to leave my emotions at the door and chew on the $20 bone. Business is business. Until someone (Google or whoever) takes on eBay, they are going to do whatever it is they want to do. If one is going to continue using eBay, then like life, they have to adapt. The store hike doesn't really affect me. Not really. I get my product for such a low cost it isn't all that big of a deal. However, the fact that eBay wants to kill off the store because sellers learned they were relisting hard to sell merchandise to death. All while costing them a small fortune doing it. When sellers began placing all of these items into their stores INSTEAD of relisting them over, and over, and over, and over, and over. eBay lost money. If you want to give eBay a kick in the pants, STOP using listing upgrades like gallery!

You do not need it on most items. Do not believe their propaganda, it isn't true. What you NEED is a keyword rich title and description. Of course, merchandise buyers want helps as well. Relisting an item to death all while using gallery and other useless listing upgrades is eBay's bread and butter.

eBay grows on the failure of listings w/upgrades. This is the bitter truth.

I started listing my so so merchandise for $9.99 without gallery. After all is said and done, paying all fees and produact cost, I will make a flat $10.05 on these items. Not even a 10th of what I paid. So, a good deal.

On my higher priced merchandise, I use gallery.

No gallery sales are alive and well.

Try it!

I like seeing how the .20 cent listings CAN work for others, too.

It's just not something I was NOT going to jump on this go around.

I'm spending my time adapting my sales tactic slowly and changing what I'm doing. I have to get the most bang out of my buck, just like you're doing.

Right now, I'm loading up my store and will continue to do that till 11:59pm on the 21st of August. Let those ride at the old fee's and then decide what to do come September.

I have scads of clothing and items all categorized in Rubbermaid containers waiting to be uploaded in the fall.

Had I been like you with lots of items to get up at a cheaper price (my other IDs are retired for the summer) I'd have bit too!

You go for it girl!
Donna
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Well I tossed up a few at the last minute, I figure I can give ebay a couple of dollars!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who see things the way I do Wink
Ok, today is the last day for 20cents. I did in fact just schedule one extra auction for the money. So ebay will make an extra 20cents this time around on me. But I did not bite, like I usually do and list up litererally 200 to 300 extra items.

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