Thanks Barparts for the link I missed that one, I think Ebay is going to lose sellers, All these restrictions are really to controlling for someone that just wants to sell an item or two, In the real world you sell something, get paid then they receive the item, now ebay wants to tell us how to conduct our business in there triffle little world, the first time they hold my payment, that will be the last I list on their site, I hope they go under by the people refusing to use them. I am just outraged at the whole thing.....