Thank you Bargain huntress!
It's almost what I pictured in my head, except that I also wanted to try to get this image
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/3/6/6/7/2/webimg/2960390_o.jpg
as a repeating background after the header and before the footer. So that hopefully it would match up and make a nice square.
I messed with it some more and no matter what I did the background pic refused to show up.
Without the Background pic the footer looks too tall. I'd made it taller so that it could make the bottom part of the square.
Anyhow throughoughly confoozled, so I gave up and resigned myself to the fact that I can't make the background show up, and I just re-worked the footer and made the footer smaller in height
http://www.practiceboard.com/?2646136
Background url is still listed in ther. I suppose I could take it out or it will decide to suddenly show up once it hits ebay
Well, I'm ready for bed,
Thanks for trying to help.