Right on gusfirefly. But again, not only is simply making payment enough for the buyer to be considered "doing their job" but more to the point, to pay in a timely manner and to not cause the seller to put out the time and negative energy to chase after payment. Once an auction is closed, the buyer has no excuse to withhold payment. That is bad faith. I as a buyer pay immediatly or a least within 24 hours. What good is positive feedback as you say when it's the only kind a seller can leave? Indeed PayPal and eBay have the deck stacked against the seller and in favor of the buyers. Why is that when it is the seller who pays all the listing fees and Final Value Fees and PayPal fees? The system is infair, unjust, has an uninformative and imbalanced feedback system and simply is not the fun and pleasure nor is it as profitable as it used to be for a seller. Will eBay ever hear the voice and the concerns of seller? Something tells me not. Like death and taxes you can count on lower profit and more oppresive regulations from eBay toward the seller, its own very life blood.